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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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justified no belief

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no debunking this is the morris k jessup

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story

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and we're beginning our look at the

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philadelphia experiment

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grand narrative and the mythologies that

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led to it and grew from it and got crazy

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and out of control and we are starting

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with morris k jessup a ufo writer from

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the 1950s that would probably be even

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less well known than he is

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were it not for what people

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one of his books and the investigations

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and the questions and the stories that

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spin out of those things

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in this installment we're going to be

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looking at morris k jessup and from his

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birth to his death and then subsequent

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installments in our philadelphia

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experiment series we'll

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go further and drill down on some of the

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things that we'll be catching glimpses

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today this episode owes a lot to some

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people who've written about this topic

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as well as people who've corresponded

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with me about their research and about

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resources they have i'll be listing some

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credits at the end of course running the

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risk that i will leave somebody out but

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rather than interrupt the flow of things

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to sort of explain where i got stuff

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there's a lot here so we should probably

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so who was morris k jessup morris

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ketchum jessup was born in 1900 in

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lower middle class and he was smart

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good with science

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maybe not the kind of guy you'd really

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one classmate of his at rockville high

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school in indiana wrote to gray barker

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in 1968 and it's from this letter that

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we have some good background on jessop's

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family and also the way his peers

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i can supply you with a few facts about

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dr jessup which you might find

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he was born just east of rockville

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indiana on a farm his father's name was

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george jessup and his mother was a swain

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fragile blonde creature who broke every

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heart in rockville high so far as i know

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the family were what charles dickens

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excellent grades and was the pet of the

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teachers who forecast a brilliant future

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to the poorer less brilliant members of

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1920s studying astronomy while later

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of michigan itself clarified what jessup

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university of michigan he supervised

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astronomy and he was employed for a

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of michigan jessup received the degree

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his high school days he was not

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faculty member about jessup which was

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understanding who was boss since he

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appointed head of the lamont houston

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observatory while he was working as an

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assistant dr rossiter and his trouble

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the university if the administration at

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parts of mesoamerica but not under the

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of a few years beginning in 1955 he had

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as in this selection that was presented

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in charles burlitz and william l moore's

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seminal book on the entire topic the

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philadelphia experiment

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if the money thought time and energy now

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being poured uselessly into the

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development of rocket propulsion were

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invested in a basic study of gravity

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beginning perhaps with continued

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research into dr einstein's unified

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field concepts it is altogether likely

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that we could have effective and

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economical space travel but at a small

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fraction of the costs we are now

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incurring within the next decade

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[Music]

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these statements caught the attention of

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a man calling himself carl m allen at

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least he's calling himself that at this

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point it gets a little confusing he

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writes to jessop who received the letter

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in january 1956

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your invocation to the public that they

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move on mass upon their representatives

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and have thusly enough pressure placed

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at the right and sufficient number of

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places where from a law demanding

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research into dr albert einstein's

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unified field theory may be enacted is

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not at all necessary it may interest you

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to know that the good doctor was not so

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much influenced in his retraction of

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that worth by mathematics as he most

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assuredly was by humantics his later

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computations done strictly for his own

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edification and amusement upon cycles of

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human civilization and progress compared

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to the growth of man's general overall

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character was enough to horrify him thus

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we are told today that the theory was

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just a note about these letters they are

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written in

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i don't know is it the best way to say

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it stream of consciousness style sort of

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stream of consciousness style the syntax

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is odd the word choices are sometimes

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odd the spelling is

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bad

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and there are

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copies of them out there on the internet

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where people have fixed up some of the

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weirdness to make them more readable but

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i thought that

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you would prefer or maybe enjoy sort of

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the unfiltered carl allen

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during this experience

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so we'll come back to the term humantix

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at some point

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but the implication here is that

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something about the unified theo field

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theory is dangerous alan goes on to

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explain that bertrand russell found that

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mankind was not ready for this kind of

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knowledge and supposedly would not be

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ready for it until after world war iii

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so

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whenever that is

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the navy however the letter says has

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been experimenting with such things and

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has produced levitation effects

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this is the result of certain metals

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reacting to certain fields surrounding a

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current

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had faraday concerned himself about the

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magnetic field surrounding an electric

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current we today would not exist or if

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we did our present geopolitical

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situation would not have the very time

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bombish ticking off toward destruction

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atmosphere that now exists alright

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alright the result was complete

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invisibility of a ship destroyer type

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and all its crew while at sea october

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1943. the field was effective in an

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oblate spheroidal shape extending 100

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yards more or less due to lunar position

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in latitude out from each beam of the

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ship any person within that sphere

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became vague in form but he too observed

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those persons working aboard that ship

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as though they too were of the same

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state yet were walking upon nothing any

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person without that sphere could see

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nothing save the clearly defined shape

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of the ship's hull in the water

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providing of course that the person was

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just close enough to see yet just barely

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so there it is the beginning of

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something that is going to last for a

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very long time if you can sort of

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read through or hear through the

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confusing way he presents it a destroyer

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escort or de type ship was made

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invisible

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but something went wrong with the people

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inside the ship what exactly

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happened to them half the officers and

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crew of that ship are at present mad as

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hatters a few are even yet confined to

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certain areas where they may receive

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trained scientific aid when they either

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go blank or go blank and get stuck going

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blank is not at all an unpleasant

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experience to healthily curious sailors

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however it is when also they get stuck

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that they call it hell incorporated the

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man thusly stricken cannot move of his

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own volition unless two or more of those

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who are within the field go and touch

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him quickly else he freezes if a man

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freezes his position must be marked out

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carefully and then the field is cut off

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everyone but that frozen man is able to

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move

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to appreciate apparent solidity again

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then the newest member of the crew must

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approach the spot where he will find the

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frozen man's face or bare skin that is

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not covered by usual uniform clothing

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sometimes it takes only an hour or so

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sometimes all night and all day long and

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worse it once took six months to get the

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man unfrozen

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this deep freeze was not psychological

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it is the result of a hyper field that

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is set up within the field of the body

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while the scorch field is turned on and

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this at length or upon an old hand a

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highly complicated piece of equipment

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had to be constructed in order to

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unfreeze those who became true froze or

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deep freeze subjects usually a deep

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freeze man goes mad stark raving

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gibbering run and mad if his freeze is

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well that sounds awful allen says that

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the first time they tried to unfreeze

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someone it took 6 months and cost five

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million dollars

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and he explains to jessup one should

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keep their eyes open if they're ever in

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the area where this took place

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if around or near the philadelphia navy

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yard you see a group of sailors in the

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act of putting their hands upon a fellow

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or upon thin air observe the digits and

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appendages of the stricken man if they

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seem to waver as though within a heat

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mirage go quickly and put your hands

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upon him for that man is the very most

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desperate of men in the world not one of

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those men ever want at all to become

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again invisible i do not think that much

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more need to be said as to why man is

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not ready for force field work eh

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you will hear phrases from these men

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such as caught in the flow or the push

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or stuck in the green or stuck in

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molasses or i was going fast these refer

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to some of the decade later after

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effects of force field work caught in

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the flow describes exactly the stuck in

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molasses sensation of a man going into a

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deep freeze or plane freeze either of

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the two

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caught in the push can either refer to

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that which a man feels briefly when he

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is either about to inadvertently go

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blank i.e become invisible or about to

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get stuck in a deep freeze or plane

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as confusing as all that is one of the

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things i love about it is the

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invented slang

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of

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this story the the deep freeze the

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getting stuck the molasses it's

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incredible

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now out of the people who took part in

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this experiment

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allen says in his letter that not many

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of those people are left

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and as for those who are

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well

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it's not

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great most went insane one tried walking

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through his quarters wall inside of his

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wife and child and two other crew

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members was never seen again

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two went into the flame i.e they froze

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and caught fire while carrying common

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small boat compasses one man carried the

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compass and caught fire the other came

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for the laying on of hands as he was

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nearest but he too took fire

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they burned for eighteen days

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the faith and handling died when this

487
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happened and men's minds went by the

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scores the experiment was a complete

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success

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as confusing and weird as these letters

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are that last line is

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marvelous

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the experiment was a complete success

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the men were complete failures so this

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is all very interesting but what about

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evidence

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well there was a newspaper story

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supposedly

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czech philadelphia papers for a tiny one

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paragraph upper half of sheet inside the

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paper near the rear third of the paper

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1944-46 in spring or fall or winter not

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summer of an item describing the sailors

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actions after their initial voyage they

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raided a local to the navy yard gin mill

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or beer joint and caused such shock and

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paralysis of the waitresses that little

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comprehensible could be gotten from them

509
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save that paragraph and the writer of it

510
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does not believe it and says i only

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wrote what i heard and them dames is

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daffy so all i get is hide it bedtime

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them dames is daffy that's uh that's

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great so i'm convinced now this

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newspaper story there's no citation of

516
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what paper or anything um a story

517
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a photocopy of a story matching this

518
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with no name of the paper no author no

519
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date no anything

520
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did emerge when berlitz and moore were

521
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working on their philadelphia experiment

522
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story it is a highly suspect

523
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copy of a newspaper article and it is

524
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two things one it is

525
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really suspect enough that you can't

526
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really take it too seriously as evidence

527
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and the other thing it is is too complex

528
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and confusing a story to get sidetracked

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with here so

530
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just suffice to say that alan's

531
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reference to

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a vague newspaper story was

533
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sort of addressed later on but nobody

534
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,600
can agree about whether or not it's a

535
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real newspaper story

536
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in closing the letter he tells jessup to

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check the records of the ss andrew

538
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furiceth and gives the names of some

539
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crew members on board at the time

540
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kind of as far as i know no one has been

541
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able to find splicey price

542
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and there are some other people who are

543
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just sort of known as nicknames or just

544
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a last name

545
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the letter is signed i love this very

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disrespectfully yours carl m allen p.s

547
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will help more if you see where i can

548
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,480
allen included his sailor number from

549
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the merchant marine which confirmed

550
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actually that allen was a crew member of

551
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this ss for a seth at the time we'll be

552
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hearing much more about the furious seth

553
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as we go on i should also note so that

554
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somewhat confusingly at the head of the

555
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letter the return address information

556
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was carlos miguel aanda

557
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spelled a-l-l-e-n-d-a

558
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not d-e

559
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as would later be but then at the bottom

560
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,520
as i said it was signed carl m allen so

561
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,880
this person whoever's writing these

562
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,880
letters is using

563
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,720
two different names one at the top of

564
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:49,919
the letter one at the bottom it gets a

565
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,559
little more confusing than that even

566
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,400
this was followed up by a second letter

567
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,240
sent within a few days of the first

568
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,640
allen suggests that jessup quote contact

569
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,400
rear admiral ross and bennett for

570
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,120
verification info herein navy chief of

571
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,200
research he may offer you a job

572
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,640
ultimately

573
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,240
now according to the naval history and

574
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,880
heritage command website and that's an

575
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,960
actual part of the navy so i'm not just

576
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:14,880
i didn't go to a philadelphia experiment

577
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,240
website for this i went to the navy

578
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,280
in 1955 december of 1955 bennett was

579
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,280
promoted to rear admiral from captain

580
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,280
and was appointed chief of naval

581
00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:27,919
research he took office started that job

582
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,480
on january 3rd

583
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,039
1956. in january 59 he was reappointed

584
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:34,640
chief of naval research for a second

585
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:38,400
term and did that until he retired in

586
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,760
february of 1961.

587
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600
now

588
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,440
there's been some question

589
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,440
as to how widely

590
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,280
bennett getting that job and having that

591
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,080
job was known and how carl allen would

592
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,159
have known this considering that he sent

593
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,679
letters to jessup they're they're

594
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,840
postmarked within days of bennett

595
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,120
taking the job

596
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,400
in their book in the philadelphia

597
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,559
experiment burlington moore go into more

598
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,320
detail on attempts to track down the

599
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,799
reality or unreality of the people named

600
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:09,039
in these letters um and they do go into

601
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,559
this question of

602
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,600
you know

603
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,080
might carl allen have had some

604
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,400
connections high up otherwise how might

605
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,480
he have known the letters were

606
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:20,799
postmarked in somewhere in texas i can't

607
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,440
remember quite where but you know it

608
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,280
wasn't something that was even reported

609
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,840
in major papers much less

610
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,760
small local papers that would have been

611
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:32,960
around where carl allen was

612
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,640
writing to jessup from i urge you to

613
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,400
look at uh look at that book the

614
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,159
philadelphia experiment book for further

615
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,679
information on that

616
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,360
so with his little bit of career advice

617
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,080
out of the way allen launches into his

618
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,720
purpose for writing

619
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,960
one the navy did not know that the men

620
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,799
could become invisible while not upon

621
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,440
the ship and under the field's influence

622
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,520
two the navy did not know that there

623
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,600
would be men die from odd effects of

624
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:02,400
hyper field within or upon field

625
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,279
three

626
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,520
further they even yet do not know why

627
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,279
this happened and are not even sure that

628
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,679
the f within f is the reason for sure at

629
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,559
all in short the atomic bomb didn't kill

630
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,880
the experimenters thus the experiments

631
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,360
went on but eventually one or two were

632
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,120
accidentally killed but the cause was

633
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,880
known as to why they died

634
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,880
myself i feel that something pertaining

635
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,720
to the small boat compass triggered off

636
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,960
the flames i have no proof but neither

637
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,240
does the navy

638
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,640
4. worse and not mentioned when one or

639
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,400
two of the men visible within the field

640
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,159
to all the others just walked into

641
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,320
nothingness and nothing could be felt of

642
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,159
them either when the field was turned

643
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,760
off or on they were just gone

644
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,240
then more fears were amassed

645
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,880
five worse yet when an apparently

646
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,640
visible and new man just walked

647
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,480
seemingly through the wall of his house

648
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,559
the surrounding area searched by all men

649
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,320
and thoroughly scrutinized and with and

650
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,919
under an installed portable field

651
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,039
generator and nothing ever found of him

652
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,200
so many many fears were by then in

653
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,039
effect that the sum total of them could

654
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,440
not ever be again faced by any of those

655
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:07,919
men or by the men working at and upon

656
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,510
so more horror about the experiment and

657
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,640
the effects of it i do love the

658
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,080
atomic bomb didn't kill the

659
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,159
experimenters thus the experiments went

660
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,039
online in amongst all of this weirdness

661
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,400
and confusion

662
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,360
and bad grammar and you can't tell from

663
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,480
your end but awful spelling amongst all

664
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,480
that there are some really nice turns of

665
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,200
phrase next alan gets into another

666
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,039
aspect of the experiment

667
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,440
one that will be with us for a very long

668
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,200
time

669
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,360
i wish to mention that somehow also the

670
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,200
experimental ship disappeared from its

671
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,440
philadelphia dock and only a very few

672
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,360
minutes later appeared at its other dock

673
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,440
in the norfolk newport news portsmouth

674
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,760
area this was distinctly and clearly

675
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,919
identified as being that place but the

676
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,320
ship then again disappeared and went

677
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,320
back to its philadelphia dock in only a

678
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,640
very few minutes or less this was also

679
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,400
noted in the newspapers but i forget

680
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,240
which paper i read it in or when it

681
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,840
happened probably late in the

682
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,480
experiments may have been in 1946 after

683
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:14,799
experiments were discontinued i cannot

684
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,950
the teleporting ship the one thing that

685
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,600
anyone who's heard about any aspect of

686
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,520
the philadelphia experiment

687
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,799
that's what they know about right the

688
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,320
ship that disappeared from the

689
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,559
philadelphia naval yard reappeared down

690
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,799
virginia then went back and it's kind of

691
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,360
nice to see that first sort of mention

692
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,520
of it in print even if we don't have a

693
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
name

694
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,400
of the ship yet

695
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,679
alan explains that the navy found all of

696
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,640
this this entire thing a bad idea due to

697
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,679
the in his words morale blasting effects

698
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,559
and it was quote deemed as impossible

699
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,679
impractical and too horrible

700
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,039
end quote

701
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,520
there were some issues with people not

702
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,520
using proper caution in the experiment

703
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,600
especially metal things that messed

704
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,279
stuff up as we're going to hear there's

705
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:06,480
a

706
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:28,080
item in the sort of correspondence

707
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,039
between

708
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,760
jessup and alan

709
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:34,880
allende is a postcard a typewritten

710
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,080
postcard sent from jessup to

711
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,039
carl carlos and it was dated january

712
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,559
13th 1956.

713
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,880
dear mr allende your most remarkable

714
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,960
letters postmarked gainesville texas

715
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,120
january 5th was forwarded to me here

716
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
today this is without doubt the most

717
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,200
remarkable report that i have had out of

718
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,880
the hundreds of letters from readers of

719
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,200
my book i am retyping it so that copies

720
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,720
can be studied by my technical

721
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,480
associates and would like all the

722
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,000
information i can get from you about

723
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,000
more details especially names and

724
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,399
addresses of witnesses this material is

725
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,480
of the greatest importance please write

726
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,320
me at once as to your address during the

727
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,399
next two months if you are in texas i

728
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,000
may want to stop and see you when i'm

729
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,480
enroute to mexico i will reply more

730
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,640
fully when we have studied your report

731
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
believe me it is important and we must

732
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:24,720
know more about this phenomenon thanks

733
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,430
jessup sounds seriously interested here

734
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,240
but there's doubt in some circles about

735
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,080
whether the postcard was legitimate

736
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,480
david halperin in his series of 2011

737
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,320
blog posts on various aspects of the

738
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,480
jessup story casts some doubt on the

739
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:45,679
postcard

740
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,440
photocopy which carlos allende

741
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,080
carl allen had given to gray barker and

742
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,159
it was in barker's file files which is

743
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,799
where halperin read it halperin isn't

744
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,880
sure why jessup would choose a postcard

745
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,799
instead of a letter he thought that

746
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,600
sounded a bit odd based on postage rates

747
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,000
and how much typewritten text he crammed

748
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,640
into this thing also

749
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,679
jessup mentions the associates that he

750
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,360
was going to share this information with

751
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,440
and halperin

752
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,240
says that these associates aren't

753
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,399
discussed anywhere else and and i agree

754
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,720
i've i've been reading a lot of jessup

755
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,480
stuff and jessup related stuff the last

756
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:28,799
few weeks and i i don't know who these

757
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,840
associates would have been unless it's

758
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,600
gray barker with whom

759
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,640
jessup was corresponding quite a bit

760
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,840
however

761
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,760
halperin notes jessup didn't mention

762
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,080
anything about the postcard in any of

763
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,760
his correspondence with great barker

764
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,399
didn't give any impression that this

765
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,120
correspondence with carl allen carlos

766
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,039
allende was

767
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,039
anything really that significant so

768
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,440
as with the supposed philadelphia

769
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,520
newspaper article we may need to put

770
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,159
this postcard into the maybe

771
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,399
maybe not pile so there's one final

772
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,240
letter from

773
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,559
alan slash allende to

774
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,880
jessup and it does have the name at the

775
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,960
header at the top be carlos allende and

776
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,840
the name sort of at the bottom below the

777
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,480
sign off as being carl allen and it's a

778
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,960
doozy allende basically offers to give

779
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,720
jessup more information

780
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,159
unfortunately

781
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,799
that information is locked up in his

782
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,760
mind

783
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,039
luckily he has a solution

784
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,880
i can be of some positive help to you

785
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,039
and myself but to do so would require a

786
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,360
hypnotist sodium pentathol a tape

787
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
recorder and an excellent type of

788
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,200
secretary in order to produce material

789
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,200
of real value to you

790
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,360
as you know one who is hypnotized cannot

791
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,600
lie and one who is both hypnotized and

792
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,520
given truth serum as it is colloquially

793
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,720
known could not possibly lie at all to

794
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,960
boot my memory would thus be unable to

795
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,120
remember things in such great detail

796
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,559
things that my present consciousness

797
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,880
cannot recall at all or only barely and

798
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,960
uncertainly that it would be a far

799
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,279
greater benefit to use hypnosis

800
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,039
i could thus be enabled to not only

801
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,279
recall complete names but also addresses

802
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,880
and telephone numbers and perhaps the

803
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,960
very important numbers of those sailors

804
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,440
with whom i sailed with them or even

805
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,399
came into contact with i could too being

806
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,559
something of a dialectician be able to

807
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,559
thusly talk exactly as those witnesses

808
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,480
talked and imitate or illustrate their

809
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,640
mannerisms and habits of thought thus

810
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,640
your psychologists can figure in advance

811
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,799
the surefire method of dealing most

812
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,960
successfully with these i could not do

813
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,559
this with someone with whom i have not

814
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,720
observed at length and these men i lived

815
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,720
with for about six months so you're

816
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,200
bound to get good to excellent results

817
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,440
the mind does not ever forget

818
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:44,640
not really

819
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:51,029
i can remember everything if you just

820
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:55,600
hypnotize me and use truth drugs that is

821
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,799
so

822
00:32:04,630 --> 00:31:58,000
weird

823
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,640
explain that he thinks he can be of help

824
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,399
to jessup they might disagree on a

825
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,919
number of things

826
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,640
he says but he can produce material

827
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:13,840
quote of real value to you

828
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:16,960
long as he has those drugs and a

829
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,880
hypnotist and a talented typist to write

830
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,440
the whole thing down

831
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,360
so he then

832
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,399
next goes into some of the effects

833
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,440
and some of the consequences of things

834
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,279
that happened during the experiment

835
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,120
there's some repetition here i'm not

836
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,159
giving you nearly the full dose of these

837
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,000
letters there's links in the show notes

838
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,080
if you want to read the whole things and

839
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,080
get the entire experience

840
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,279
sort of in your face first hand

841
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,279
i believe that further experiments would

842
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,640
naturally have produced controlled

843
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,559
transport of great tonnages at ultra

844
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,320
fast speeds to a desired point the

845
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,159
instant it is desired through usage of

846
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,360
an area covered by one those cargos and

847
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,519
two that field that could cause those

848
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,080
goods ships or ship parts men were

849
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,399
transported as well to go to another

850
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,880
point accidentally into the embarrassed

851
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,120
perplexity of the navy this has already

852
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,519
happened to a whole ship crew and all i

853
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,840
read of this and the off-base awol

854
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,440
activities of the crewmen who were at

855
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,279
the time invisible in a philadelphia

856
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,399
newspaper

857
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,960
under narco hypnosis i can be enabled to

858
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,039
divulge the name date and section and

859
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,039
page number of that paper and the other

860
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,430
man this guy really wants to be

861
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,919
hypnotized doesn't he it's almost a

862
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,200
little weird

863
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,440
he closes the letter with

864
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,480
sort of a connection or a way to connect

865
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,720
what happened in that shipyard in

866
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,000
philadelphia to jessup's actual field of

867
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,960
interest which is ufos i mean the energy

868
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,600
stuff is of course jessups in jessup's

869
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,080
wheelhouse but he finally gets around to

870
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,440
connecting these things to ufos

871
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,000
i'm a stargazer mr jessup i make no

872
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,600
bones about this and the fact that i

873
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,679
feel that if handled properly i.e

874
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,279
presented to people in science in the

875
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
proper psychologically effective manner

876
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,359
i feel sure that man will go where he

877
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,000
now dreams of being to the stars via the

878
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,599
form of transport that the navy

879
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,359
accidentally stumbled upon to their

880
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,280
embarrassment when their experimental

881
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,440
ship took off and popped up a minute or

882
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,760
so later on several hundred sea travel

883
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,240
trip miles away at another of its births

884
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,560
in the chesapeake bay area i read of

885
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,639
this in another newspaper and only by

886
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,560
hypnosis could any man remember all the

887
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,320
details of which paper date of

888
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,599
occurrence and etc you see a perhaps

889
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,079
already the navy has used this accident

890
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,720
of transport to build your ufos it is a

891
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,119
logical advance from any standpoint what

892
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:44,399
do you think

893
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,560
very respectfully carl allen

894
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,879
just a little behind the scenes info the

895
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,000
phrase several hundred sea travel trip

896
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,760
miles um tripped me up quite a number of

897
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,079
times during the recording of this this

898
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,599
is the last letter from alan slashande

899
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,880
to

900
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,640
jessup and

901
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,000
when we come back

902
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,079
we're going to look at

903
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,359
another

904
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:12,720
group of people

905
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,920
or were they who had some comments on

906
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:17,280
jessup's book

907
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:19,820
the case for the ufo

908
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,910
we'll be back in a week fielding

909
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,359
questions and comments about this

910
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:29,920
episode i think since this is the first

911
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,599
part of a multi-part extravaganza um

912
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,640
i reserved the right to

913
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:38,960
save questions that might end up being

914
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,079
spoilery until later segments something

915
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,560
will happen next week though so don't

916
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,599
worry and do send those questions in via

917
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,520
social media email

918
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:52,320
that's social media at thesaucerlife

919
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,000
gmail.com and on social media at saucer

920
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,839
life or the saucer live podcast on

921
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,000
facebook send in your questions they

922
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,000
will be gotten to eventually in the

923
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,760
appropriate place

924
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,320
and then on the next episode what's the

925
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,400
deal with carlos allende

926
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,760
or carl allen or whoever he is

927
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,359
if he's anybody

928
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,599
and according to some people he's

929
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,920
someone very different from who we might

930
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,240
think he is well really just one person

931
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,720
thinks this in their book and they in

932
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,040
their book are weird but sweet and it's

933
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,520
going to be fun and we'll also be

934
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,119
getting a little bit more into the

935
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,640
development of the philadelphia

936
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,400
experiment mythos

937
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,320
itself

938
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,640
i'm not sure exactly how many parts this

939
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,200
is going to be i had planned on three

940
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,680
but i'd also planned on dealing with all

941
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,079
the carlos allende stuff

942
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:46,079
on this episode about morris k jessup

943
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,880
and

944
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,960
that's not going to happen so we'll see

945
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,400
where this goes it's kind of an

946
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,400
adventure for all of us

947
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,880
you can support the show via the link in

948
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,520
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949
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,079
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950
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,359
chizomedia or chizomedia.com if you like

951
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,680
any way to get there or google sauce or

952
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,000
life patreon you'll find it somewhere

953
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,400
over there we've got early episodes of

954
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,320
the saucer life in great lakes lore with

955
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,960
extended content about each episode

956
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,040
we've got bonus episodes every month

957
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,480
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958
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,680
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959
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,880
thank you to those who've been

960
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,640
supporting us there for the last couple

961
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,000
of months we've been doing that we've

962
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,960
been having a great time over there i

963
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,839
mentioned the email and social media

964
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,720
labels above labels handles above but if

965
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:38,720
you want to contact us by post you can

966
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,160
do so at chiso media po box 68 grand

967
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,160
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968
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,520
80. we always find interesting things in

969
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,079
the mail when we go and now let's get

970
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:53,119
back to morris k jessup via the vero

971
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,560
corporation of garland texas kind of

972
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,560
it's weird i'm going to be saying that a

973
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:01,280
lot about this episode kind of it's

974
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:02,920
weird

975
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:10,310
so the next

976
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,240
episode in this saga is one that is

977
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:15,839
probably the most

978
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,280
well-known of all of the morris k jessup

979
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,520
related things and that is the

980
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,240
arrival of a paperback copy

981
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,880
of the case for the ufo

982
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,520
into the hands of

983
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:30,880
naval

984
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,240
officials and this copy was

985
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,960
annotated and

986
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,280
to sort of summarize what happened here

987
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,640
i'm using the account that was printed

988
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,359
in

989
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,520
moore and burlitz's philadelphia

990
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:50,240
experiment project invisibility book

991
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,920
that came out in 1979 we'll be looking

992
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,880
at this book more thoroughly next time

993
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,720
on the show but this is

994
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,640
the clearest summary i was able to find

995
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,119
so i am sort of summarizing their

996
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:05,040
summary so basically

997
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,359
in the middle of the summer of 1955 july

998
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,200
or august

999
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:13,760
months before jessup received

1000
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,599
letters from carl allen carlos allende a

1001
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,720
manila envelope was sent to admiral

1002
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,359
firth who was at that time chief of the

1003
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,280
office of naval research

1004
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,160
and

1005
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,760
it was included

1006
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,640
in

1007
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,520
the mail of a guy named major daryl

1008
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,200
ritter who was part of an aeronautical

1009
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,400
project the return address or postmark

1010
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,760
on the envelope was seminole texas and

1011
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,320
across the envelope were written the

1012
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,440
words happy easter in ink which is weird

1013
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,320
because

1014
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,599
you know the thing arrived in july or

1015
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,720
august so inside is a paperback copy

1016
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,040
of the case for the ufo

1017
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,560
but it was

1018
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,839
as i said annotated by three

1019
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,280
supposedly

1020
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,480
different

1021
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:04,240
well not supposedly let's just i'll say

1022
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:05,359
it like this

1023
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,240
it was

1024
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,280
annotated in three different ink colors

1025
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,119
with slightly different handwritings and

1026
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,400
they were commenting on jessup's ideas

1027
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,359
they were commenting on other aspects of

1028
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,760
ufo phenomenon they were saying things

1029
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,480
that in some cases made no sense

1030
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,960
and they also referred to some elements

1031
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,040
of things that would

1032
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:32,880
be present in the letters that allende

1033
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,119
sent to jessup to sort of summarize this

1034
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,040
story a little bit more

1035
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,520
there's two naval guys ritter and hoover

1036
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,640
they're interested in this they call

1037
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,520
jessup up to washington to take a look

1038
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,040
at this book and he recognizes one of

1039
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,319
the hands that wrote the text or wrote

1040
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:56,880
the annotations as being that of carl

1041
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,400
allen slash carlos allende he had gotten

1042
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,160
the letters by the time he was invited

1043
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,520
up to take a look at this thing so

1044
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,599
the other thing that happens sort of

1045
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,200
subsequent to this is that

1046
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,599
the office of naval research or people

1047
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,760
within the office of naval research it's

1048
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,720
unclear was this a navy operation or was

1049
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,280
this something undertaken by people with

1050
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,520
an interest in the ufo subject who

1051
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,359
worked in the office of naval research

1052
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,640
in any case

1053
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:28,240
there is a

1054
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,280
new

1055
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,520
version of this book printed

1056
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,040
by the vero

1057
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,760
corporation of garland texas and what

1058
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,400
they did was basically re-typeset the

1059
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:41,200
entire book to include the different

1060
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,800
colored annotations and that seems like

1061
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,160
a big job in an age of typewriters and

1062
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,119
stencils and offset printing and or

1063
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,040
lithograph printing or some kind of

1064
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,119
printing that isn't what i send to my

1065
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,599
printer when i have to print things and

1066
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,680
so this is a very limited

1067
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,800
edition of these things so my focus here

1068
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,040
in discussing this is not to go into all

1069
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,119
the details of the timelines and the

1070
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:08,960
who's and the watson who's responsible

1071
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,760
for this rather i want to focus on

1072
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,160
the content and i've got to acknowledge

1073
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,200
that this content is confusing in an

1074
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,920
audio format i did the best i could with

1075
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,400
presenting something that jessup wrote

1076
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:24,720
and then commentary with

1077
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,680
slightly different i don't even want to

1078
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,119
dignify them with the term

1079
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,720
characterizations

1080
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,040
for the different handwriting types

1081
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,400
there was you know a mr a a mr b and a

1082
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:38,880
figure named jemmy who

1083
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,800
uh j e m i that others referred to

1084
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,440
they made references to gypsies to

1085
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,920
possibly being gypsies and yes i that's

1086
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,160
the term they used that is not of course

1087
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:51,760
the term we would use

1088
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,040
today for the roma people but

1089
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,560
you know it's

1090
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,920
it's weird and that the gypsy reference

1091
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,319
would color things down the road as

1092
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:05,920
we're going to talk about in later

1093
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:09,520
installments so this is a very rare book

1094
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,200
this vero edition vero by the way was

1095
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,160
not a printing company as is sometimes

1096
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,960
mentioned in ufo literature including

1097
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,480
jim mosley's

1098
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,040
memoir of his time in the saucer saucer

1099
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,359
in the saucer life actually

1100
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,119
it's kind of an oversight vero

1101
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,040
corporation did a lot of defense

1102
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,599
contracting they were a manufacturer of

1103
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,319
some fairly highly technical things but

1104
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,800
also had some people there who were into

1105
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,880
ufo stuff so

1106
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,200
like a lot of things there's a big

1107
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,680
question of the degree to which an

1108
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,440
organization is officially

1109
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,400
organizationally interested in the topic

1110
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,960
and what might be on the other hand

1111
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,480
a handful of people who are interested

1112
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,880
in the topic and kind of use

1113
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,040
company resources to

1114
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,880
you know do some of these things so

1115
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,359
that's a big question so

1116
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,880
the vera edition

1117
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:05,440
very rare but years afterward gray

1118
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,599
barker took this and found a way to

1119
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,359
semi-affordably reproduce it reprint it

1120
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,560
and offer it for sale and a

1121
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,839
digitized reproduction of gray barker's

1122
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:20,319
reproduction of the vero

1123
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,040
manuscript is what i am operating from i

1124
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,079
had access to scans of

1125
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,119
uh more original versions but i'm not

1126
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,359
good at reading handwriting sometimes

1127
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,599
that's why areas of history i deal with

1128
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,680
generally are from time periods after

1129
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,560
the invention of the printing press and

1130
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,560
typewriters and things like that which i

1131
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,200
find a little bit easier

1132
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,720
so

1133
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:48,560
as we go through

1134
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:53,119
parts of this annotated vero edition

1135
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,440
which was the gray barker reprint of

1136
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,000
things like that like i said

1137
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,680
i've got to be honest to cover the

1138
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,400
entire book and all of the annotations

1139
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,440
would be

1140
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,160
very tedious in this format even more

1141
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,480
tedious than what you are going to hear

1142
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,480
there's a link to the copy that i used

1143
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,319
that's housed on the internet archive

1144
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,599
and i put that link in the show notes so

1145
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,680
let's go through this and

1146
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,760
let me be clear my focus is on the

1147
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,480
content not um

1148
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,520
sort of

1149
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,119
the picayune

1150
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,839
minuscule details remember this show not

1151
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,480
just this episode is designed to be an

1152
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,200
on-ramp to these topics i want you to go

1153
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,280
and explore further and in as much

1154
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,160
detail as your heart can stand

1155
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,839
but we're not going to get into every

1156
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,359
single detail

1157
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,520
that we possibly could because

1158
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,440
we would be here forever but one thing i

1159
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,920
do want to point out is that when barker

1160
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,040
marketed his copy of the vero edition of

1161
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,680
the case for the ufo he did so in an

1162
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:56,960
extremely

1163
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:59,839
gray barkery

1164
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,560
notice this envelope contains an ad on

1165
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,119
controversial ufo information

1166
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,200
contains an ad offering the annotated

1167
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,079
edition of the case for the ufo for sale

1168
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,760
if you feel you do not wish to know this

1169
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,440
information or have this information in

1170
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,560
your possession

1171
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:16,880
destroy this envelope immediately or

1172
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,910
return to sender

1173
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,480
[Music]

1174
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:22,480
that's great now as you might know

1175
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,880
barker's job one of his jobs was to book

1176
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,160
films in cinemas around west virginia

1177
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,280
and back in the 1950s and 1960s you know

1178
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,119
really sort of bad horror movies

1179
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,560
sometimes would have disclaimers on them

1180
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:39,599
like

1181
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,960
you know anybody who dies during a

1182
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,839
fright during the screening of

1183
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,400
you know blood sacrifice of the goat

1184
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,599
virgin or whatever would be you know

1185
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:54,960
compensated with a free coffin or nurses

1186
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,400
will be on hand to assist those who

1187
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,640
are having trouble or if you are of a

1188
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,880
nervous disposition we urge you not to

1189
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,440
watch this film and i have to think that

1190
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,160
some of that kind of shock marketing

1191
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,040
made its way into some of barker's

1192
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,520
promotional materials now if you were

1193
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,040
brave enough to open the envelope this

1194
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:19,920
is how it began i'm not gonna go through

1195
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,720
the whole thing but this is how it began

1196
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,200
dear friend i don't pretend to know you

1197
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,040
personally that is impossible the way we

1198
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,640
do business by mail

1199
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,000
but the fact that you opened this

1200
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,520
envelope tells me something about your

1201
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,839
personal character you are seriously

1202
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,760
interested in the ufo mystery and you

1203
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,240
are not paranoid or crazy your friends

1204
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,079
and neighbors may think you're a bit off

1205
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,680
because of your sincere interest in the

1206
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,680
subject but you're the type of person

1207
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,680
who pleasantly lasts this off and goes

1208
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,920
right ahead with your ufo studies

1209
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,599
you are not afraid of the implications

1210
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,359
that the flying saucer mystery might

1211
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,480
bring

1212
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,319
i know something else about you

1213
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,319
you're very selective in the type of ufo

1214
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,559
literature you purchase or read you have

1215
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,240
read many of the more excellent books in

1216
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,520
this field

1217
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,920
i don't claim to have occult powers in

1218
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,319
fact i'm about as psychic as a bed post

1219
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,839
the staff and i simply went through our

1220
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,440
customer cards and pulled names of

1221
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,960
people who had purchased very

1222
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,400
selectively during the past three years

1223
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:16,000
since you did not destroy the outer

1224
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,280
envelope i believe that you are

1225
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,040
courageous enough to participate with me

1226
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,040
in a project involving a subject that

1227
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,280
has long been too hush-hush and should

1228
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,200
be brought out into the open

1229
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,640
this letter not only involves the

1230
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:29,119
unfortunate suicide of dr mk jessup in

1231
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,800
1959 indeed it involves much more the

1232
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:34,640
strange events which led up to his

1233
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:40,710
this is just a brilliantly manipulative

1234
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,000
appeal to vanity and i love it and i'm

1235
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,680
not gonna pretend i'm better than

1236
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,440
anybody else i totally would have fallen

1237
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,920
for this as a younger person

1238
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,559
heck i'd probably fall for it now so the

1239
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,119
vero edition i have uh sort of vamped

1240
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,119
long enough trying to avoid getting into

1241
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,079
this very confusing thing i did my best

1242
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:03,760
please believe that so we begin with the

1243
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,119
forward and jessup opens his book and is

1244
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:09,920
responded to in the margins by

1245
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,760
the person wielding the blue pen

1246
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,160
the subject of ufos in its present stage

1247
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,079
is like astronomy in that it is a purely

1248
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,599
observational science not an

1249
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,160
experimental one necessarily therefore

1250
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,079
it must be based on observation and not

1251
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,359
on experiment

1252
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,440
observation in this case consists of

1253
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,800
everything which can be found to have

1254
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,400
bearing on the subject there are

1255
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,319
thousands of references to it in ancient

1256
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,319
literature but the authors did not know

1257
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,000
that their references had any bearing

1258
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,160
for the subject did not then exist the

1259
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:40,000
writers were recording such things as

1260
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,440
met their senses solely through an

1261
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,839
honest effort to report inexplicable

1262
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,839
observational data

1263
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,680
hoping in those days that something

1264
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,960
would come of it

1265
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:50,960
nowadays science is afraid that

1266
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,680
something will come of it it will too in

1267
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,720
1956 or 57 the air force will have ships

1268
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,040
like these in appearance and will feel

1269
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,800
safe to announce that human eyes have

1270
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,520
seen saucers from outer space but not to

1271
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,520
be worried because we too have these

1272
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,880
ships oh brother what a farce ours will

1273
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:12,160
be jet propelled

1274
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,440
now if you just listened to that and

1275
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,880
wondered what in the name of heck you

1276
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,319
were listening to

1277
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
hey now you know what i've been dealing

1278
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,400
with over the last month or so

1279
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,960
so that's how these things sort of go

1280
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,960
jessup has written something and then in

1281
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,520
the margins one of these figures

1282
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,400
blue

1283
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,280
green

1284
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,240
purple

1285
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,800
would respond with that and that one

1286
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,280
made sense oh the air force is going to

1287
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,760
have ships of their own don't worry some

1288
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,800
of them

1289
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,079
make less sense such as

1290
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,680
this one

1291
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,280
reliable people have been seeing the

1292
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,359
phenomenon known as flying saucers for a

1293
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,440
thousand years and more there are good

1294
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,920
reports as far back as 1500 bc and

1295
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,880
before

1296
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,559
thousands of people have seen some kind

1297
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,119
of navigable contraptions in the sky and

1298
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
some have sworn it under oath

1299
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,839
in a day when oaths are just as good as

1300
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,000
money in hand for if incorrect your neck

1301
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,920
suffered the miracle from the church as

1302
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,079
a knife from the outraged who took your

1303
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,589
sure mr blue ink man that's just fine

1304
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,000
i'm not going to argue with you next we

1305
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,599
have another blue inked response to a

1306
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,480
jessup comment that introduces a concept

1307
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,880
that will run throughout these

1308
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,640
annotations

1309
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,640
i cannot agree with any astronomer who

1310
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,319
insists that all of these things are

1311
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,119
mirages planets clouds or illusions the

1312
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,040
majority of the people are articulate

1313
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,040
enough to tell their stories and sincere

1314
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,400
enough to make depositions before

1315
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,119
notaries public even scientists concede

1316
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,440
that these folks saw something i see

1317
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,440
nothing particularly odd and strange

1318
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,119
descriptions of phenomena the like of

1319
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,200
which has no earthly counterpart or for

1320
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:51,599
which we have no frame of reference

1321
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:00,150
ah the lms

1322
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,839
a strange group of beings

1323
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,680
from somewhere else

1324
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,160
now sometimes the

1325
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,400
comments and commentary that was written

1326
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,640
in the vero edition aren't necessarily

1327
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,079
connected

1328
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,720
to something that morris has written

1329
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,800
it's not a direct response

1330
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,079
and this next segment or not segment but

1331
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,960
selection again from our commentator

1332
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,720
with the blue pen

1333
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,520
is

1334
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,880
addressing

1335
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:31,599
the question of whether or not jessup

1336
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:32,400
will

1337
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:36,319
be able to succeed in his goal of

1338
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,319
finding information about the ufos

1339
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,559
if he does succeed in such evaluation

1340
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,319
nobody cares enough to bother believing

1341
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,079
him for that would require the effort of

1342
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,559
courage and the gaia are such cowards

1343
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,040
and conformists even if they believed

1344
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,200
nobody would dare say so for that would

1345
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,440
require action and they dare not act in

1346
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:57,520
behalf of a belief that interferes with

1347
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:04,549
as far as i can tell the guyar are like

1348
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,760
us just normal human so this is

1349
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,280
sort of a

1350
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,119
i don't know twilight zonish is the way

1351
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,800
to say it but this sort of twilight zone

1352
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,920
is attitude of even if you come up with

1353
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,119
the answer

1354
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,640
and tell people

1355
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,640
nobody is going to care you don't have

1356
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,880
the capacity to understand you don't

1357
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,440
have the capacity to confront anything

1358
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:27,119
that doesn't

1359
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,800
conform to what you already do that

1360
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,079
makes your life

1361
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,640
more inconvenient next we're going to

1362
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,280
hear from the green ink writer or

1363
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,720
commenter who i believe is

1364
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,800
jemmy the figure known as jimmy there's

1365
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,520
an a a b and a gemmy and i've got it

1366
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,400
straight and i may not a is the blue ink

1367
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:49,119
b is the purple ink green is

1368
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,960
jemmy that's just the impression i got

1369
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:51,920
from

1370
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,400
reading it and this connects things a

1371
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,040
little bit to some of the other

1372
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,640
materials in the allende letters

1373
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,960
note anyone reading this book would have

1374
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,119
to know that electron quantums within

1375
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,720
molecular structures are similar in

1376
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,119
scope of field as planets orbits they

1377
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,480
would have to know that

1378
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,480
electrons and metal go across what in

1379
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,800
planetary systems would be billions of

1380
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,200
miles leaving three a gravitational

1381
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,480
field dead spot or node or vortice or

1382
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,839
neutral as this one thing is variously

1383
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,680
caused realizing this as dr albert

1384
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,160
einstein did it shows clearly how solids

1385
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,800
may become energy or dissolute and how

1386
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,359
then they may pass easily out of visual

1387
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,240
scope instantly this is merely one clue

1388
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,400
gleamed from einstein's theory of a

1389
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,079
unified magnetic field through all

1390
00:54:44,589 --> 00:54:41,920
substances and throughout whole

1391
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:44,599
intergalactic universe us experiments

1392
00:54:56,109 --> 00:54:52,710
so we've got einstein's unified field

1393
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,119
theory and we've got a reference to that

1394
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:57,680
1943

1395
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,799
experiment so we've got the pieces

1396
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,240
falling into place and again the

1397
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,839
timeline is weird this is

1398
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,599
before jessup started receiving those

1399
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,640
letters but clearly there is uh there's

1400
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,280
overlap it's not too surprising why he

1401
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:15,119
thought there might be a connection or

1402
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,799
indeed a complete sort of similarity of

1403
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,960
the person who wrote the annotations on

1404
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,520
this book and the person who sent him

1405
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:25,680
the letters we also have

1406
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,040
levitation style stuff going on here and

1407
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,079
there was an allen slash hyundai letter

1408
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,559
sent to jessup before the ones we talked

1409
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,440
about that has not been made public that

1410
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,720
discussed levitation things more so than

1411
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,640
some of the invisibility things in the

1412
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,240
later letters it would be great if

1413
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:45,760
somebody could unearth that letter at

1414
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,200
some point but levitation things do

1415
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,599
make an appearance here

1416
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,599
i am not averse to saying that a force

1417
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,599
field can make a man to fly for i have

1418
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,119
seen it done and i know the cause of

1419
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,359
this flight and am not disturbed paris

1420
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,240
exhibition 1951 scientists from paris

1421
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:04,640
university demonstrated this an ap photo

1422
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,359
was sent to u.s showing this action

1423
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,319
u.s navy's force field experiments 1943

1424
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,240
october produced invisibility of crew

1425
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:14,960
and ship fearsome results so terrifying

1426
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,710
as to fortunately halt further research

1427
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,880
[Music]

1428
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:23,440
so there's blue and green

1429
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,160
pen

1430
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,480
people discussing the levitation and

1431
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,280
also going back to those experiments and

1432
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,640
the levitation

1433
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,319
and the force field

1434
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,880
ideas are closely interlinked it's force

1435
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,720
fields that are causing the levitation

1436
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,640
but also force fields that are

1437
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,200
influencing the invisibility

1438
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,119
the science is

1439
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,440
maybe a little too weird to actually be

1440
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,559
comprehensible but one thing is for sure

1441
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,520
and that is that morris k jessup is on

1442
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,040
the right track

1443
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,440
here we get some input for the first

1444
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,240
time on this show from the being

1445
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,440
wielding the purple pen

1446
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,680
it is almost an inseparable corollary to

1447
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,280
our thesis that we admit to an

1448
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,680
unfathomable antiquity for mankind or at

1449
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,280
least intelligence upon the earth and

1450
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,599
its vicinity this conclusion is made

1451
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,440
unavoidable by the antiquity of records

1452
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,240
of ufos and wingless flight it is

1453
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,160
apparent in the innumerable megalithic

1454
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,559
works of stone which involve masses too

1455
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,160
huge to be moved by means other than

1456
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,079
levitation and which have been standing

1457
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,319
for ages before any written record now

1458
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
available

1459
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,319
the man is close

1460
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,349
we're getting awfully close to

1461
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,200
maurice k jessup knew too much about

1462
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,240
flying saucers territory here but we're

1463
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,839
starting to see why

1464
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,079
the air force and

1465
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,640
or sorry the navy rather and jessup

1466
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,160
might have been

1467
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,640
interested in these annotations because

1468
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,720
these people who are writing or this

1469
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,400
person pretending to be people who are

1470
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,599
writing

1471
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,839
seem to have some kind of information

1472
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,000
but as you can hear from listening to

1473
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:01,680
this if you think about this stuff too

1474
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:04,559
deeply it makes about as much sense as

1475
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:05,280
the

1476
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,559
allen allende letters which is not too

1477
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:11,520
much we get other parallels and

1478
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,559
crossovers between these annotations and

1479
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,359
those letters such as this

1480
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:19,760
summary of why einstein ditched the

1481
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,280
unified field theory in 1927

1482
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,920
from the green writer

1483
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,079
einstein's theory of unified field

1484
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,000
throughout all space and atmosphere was

1485
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,880
so well proven that upon realizing man's

1486
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:36,160
misanthropic emotionality he withdrew it

1487
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,470
1927.

1488
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,079
[Music]

1489
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:42,880
and we also get some more explicit

1490
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,640
tie-ins with the ufo mystery

1491
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,480
as a means then of assuring that we do

1492
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,400
not knowingly overlook any possible

1493
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,160
contributory evidence in the case for

1494
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,720
the ufos i ask you to keep those storms

1495
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,480
and cloud formations in mind and if

1496
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,640
possible to fit them into the basis of

1497
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,400
any comprehensive conclusions which you

1498
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,000
may eventually draw

1499
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,000
i believe that space structures of 5 to

1500
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,160
20 miles in diameter are sufficiently

1501
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,160
large to produce such storms and there

1502
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,240
may be elements of purposefulness in so

1503
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,400
doing if only for camouflage or

1504
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:14,720
concealment

1505
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,359
the lm great ark is bigger

1506
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,839
the great ark the lms one of these

1507
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,319
non-human intelligences is this a

1508
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,960
spaceship bigger than any that jessup

1509
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:29,839
can conceive of it seems

1510
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,000
likely and this idea of a

1511
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,960
ship created by these various creatures

1512
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,359
and then a war that took place between

1513
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:42,720
them makes up the substance of a lot of

1514
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:46,960
the commentary in this annotated edition

1515
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,640
of case for the ufo but where do the ufo

1516
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:52,559
people come from

1517
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:56,319
jessup has some ideas about that and the

1518
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,280
blue pen writer thinks these ideas are

1519
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,799
interesting

1520
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,720
it is no longer necessary to explain

1521
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,640
them as visitors from mars venus or

1522
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,720
alpha centauri they are a part of our

1523
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,119
own immediate family a part of the earth

1524
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,599
moon binary planet system they didn't

1525
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,440
have to come all those millions of miles

1526
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,400
from anywhere

1527
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,760
they have been here for thousands of

1528
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,720
years

1529
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,480
whether we belong to them by possession

1530
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,119
like cattle or whether we belong to each

1531
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,599
other by common origin and association

1532
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,599
is an interesting problem and one which

1533
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,400
may soon be settled if we keep our heads

1534
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:30,319
he knows something

1535
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,349
so lms sms not from outer space

1536
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,000
maybe from somewhere else there's also

1537
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,480
some indications that there might be

1538
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,839
crashed

1539
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,359
craft and

1540
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,760
jessup talks about this and then the

1541
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,079
green pen writer has some commentary

1542
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,160
about that as well

1543
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,760
we believe that the russians may have

1544
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,359
captured one or more

1545
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,040
we think that some new scientific

1546
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:59,119
principles are with us perhaps even now

1547
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,400
operating within our military

1548
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,720
laboratories and may burst forth at any

1549
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,119
moment and that as a race we may be on

1550
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,640
the verge of something akin to what the

1551
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,960
modern atomic scientist calls a quantum

1552
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,599
explosion no other set of conclusions

1553
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:13,680
will serve as a common denominator for

1554
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,400
all observable facts

1555
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,640
the possibility of the ruskies have

1556
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,640
found an old dead ship is not without

1557
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,799
the realm of probability his admittance

1558
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,720
to other forms of humanoid life is near

1559
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,440
revelatory to what i surmise he is being

1560
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:29,760
led by his shortwave telepathic nose so

1561
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,799
to speak to see these things he says we

1562
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,480
and that could imply anything from one

1563
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,720
friendly lm to a fellow scientist or his

1564
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,359
wife or some member of u.s government

1565
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,520
if what i now surmise is true then the

1566
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,000
lms are in trouble or the sms wish to

1567
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,079
war upon the lms and are using this man

1568
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,480
telepathically to get help

1569
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,480
whether this consideration is of import

1570
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,799
to him only remains to be seen if it

1571
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,720
isn't then he will be left out on an

1572
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,119
emotional limb trying to say see i'm

1573
01:02:03,829 --> 01:01:59,440
right they are wrong and will forget

1574
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,750
there's another green pen selection that

1575
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,559
is

1576
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,079
very much like what was in one of the

1577
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,079
letters jessa perceived only with a

1578
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,880
slightly different focus

1579
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,960
had faraday concerned himself with the

1580
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,400
magnetic field surrounding his

1581
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,079
electrical current man today would

1582
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:20,160
already have reached the outermost parts

1583
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,190
of our galaxy

1584
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,359
[Music]

1585
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,119
not exactly the same as the faraday

1586
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,240
reference in i think the first letter

1587
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480
that jessa perceived but

1588
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,160
close enough that

1589
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:35,200
it's close and finally from this

1590
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:38,480
annotated edition of the case for the

1591
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,920
ufo is another reference to that great

1592
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:43,599
arc

1593
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:46,720
the great ark to have seen the great ark

1594
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,760
would humble or terrify any human i wish

1595
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:52,079
even so that i could have seen it the

1596
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,920
greatest structure ever built by

1597
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,040
humanoids or all time

1598
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:58,799
[Music]

1599
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,359
sounds pretty nifty doesn't it now that

1600
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,599
idea of the ark or these craft is going

1601
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,880
to come back to us later in this series

1602
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,079
but for now

1603
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,000
i think that's a good

1604
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,640
presentation or at least as good as i'm

1605
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,440
able to give you in the time allotted

1606
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,319
and the mental space i have

1607
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,280
a good example of what

1608
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,359
jessup's book was like and what the

1609
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,079
annotations were like and

1610
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:28,720
i don't know they're interesting

1611
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,240
but it seems a little too wacky for the

1612
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,640
navy to have been

1613
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,799
really really interested at a high

1614
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,359
institutional level again like i said

1615
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,680
earlier i i suspect there's some element

1616
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,240
of there were people in this office who

1617
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:46,640
found this personally interesting rather

1618
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:47,440
than

1619
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,240
the naval research office is needing to

1620
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,960
find out about this lm

1621
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,280
ark ship somewhere

1622
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:56,640
at this point we're going to leave the

1623
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,799
vero edition carlos allende carl m allen

1624
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:02,160
to the side we're not going to talk

1625
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,280
about him

1626
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,960
anymore because we're going to finish up

1627
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:06,160
this episode

1628
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:07,119
with

1629
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:10,720
a look at where jessup went next and

1630
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,920
where all of that ended up

1631
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,119
while this

1632
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:17,359
controversy or

1633
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,480
i don't even know if that's the best

1634
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:21,039
word while all of this stuff around the

1635
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,480
vero edition

1636
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:24,400
and the letters and everything was

1637
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,000
circulating jessup was writing books

1638
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,160
still lecturing still

1639
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,119
being out there on the ufo circuit

1640
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,000
and he found that the sales of his books

1641
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
were steadily

1642
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,119
declining

1643
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:41,200
every time he released a book

1644
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,440
correspondence between jessup and barker

1645
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:47,359
both have them sort of lamenting the

1646
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:50,480
fact that making a living writing ufo

1647
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,440
books is simply not a viable

1648
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:55,839
option and so jessup is feeling some

1649
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,119
pressure on that end of things as well

1650
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:02,240
he's also getting more deeply involved

1651
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:03,119
in

1652
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,880
a lot of this doesn't come out until

1653
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:11,039
after his death which we will get to in

1654
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,559
a second but he was in close contact

1655
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:17,440
with lane mead of the borderland science

1656
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,799
research associates about ways to sort

1657
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,680
of

1658
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,200
integrate the

1659
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,640
scientific and technological realm of

1660
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:28,000
the ufos

1661
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,520
with the

1662
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:31,680
more ethereal

1663
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,039
psychic

1664
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,680
mind-based and consciousness-based ideas

1665
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,480
that the bsra was promoting so

1666
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:40,799
jessup still had the scientific bent but

1667
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:43,119
he was moving more toward

1668
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,079
a

1669
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:45,520
psychic

1670
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:48,160
connection to these things near the end

1671
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,359
of his life

1672
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,839
in 1958 jessop's wife left him this is

1673
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,359
his second wife

1674
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,599
travels to new york city and

1675
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:56,960
as we're going to see some of his

1676
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,839
friends thought he wasn't doing too well

1677
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:01,760
he goes back to florida where he was

1678
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:04,720
living and he was involved in a car

1679
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:08,240
accident which left him in a lot of pain

1680
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:11,200
and didn't do much to help his

1681
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,599
mood or psychological state that his

1682
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:16,079
friends had noticed before

1683
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,920
then in april april 29 1955 his car was

1684
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,920
found along a roadside

1685
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,839
and jessop was dead inside a hose had

1686
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,880
been run from the exhaust pipe it was a

1687
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,440
rule it was ruled a suicide from carbon

1688
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,839
monoxide poisoning

1689
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,039
and it's

1690
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:35,039
very sad but

1691
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:36,799
as is the way

1692
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:40,319
that happens in a lot of ufo cases

1693
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:41,119
this

1694
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,559
finding of suicide would be picked apart

1695
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,599
and doubted and turned into a

1696
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:49,520
conspiratorial

1697
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:53,119
type extravaganza in some ways

1698
01:06:56,829 --> 01:06:55,359
and that isn't to say that there weren't

1699
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:56,839
some

1700
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,839
inconsistencies with the suicide

1701
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:02,319
particularly the way that the autopsy

1702
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,440
was handled or the fact that an autopsy

1703
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,000
was not done despite the law sort of

1704
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:09,440
specifying that under those

1705
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,079
circumstances one should have been done

1706
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,680
there's claims that the person who

1707
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,280
identified the body

1708
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,720
might not have really known too much

1709
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,799
what jessup looked like jessop's wife

1710
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,280
refused to identify the body saying that

1711
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,440
it wasn't him um and that if it was him

1712
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:25,520
he hadn't committed suicide that's what

1713
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:28,880
ufo books reported she said so it's it's

1714
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:31,359
difficult but there is sort of an

1715
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,240
afterlife to the jessup story he

1716
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:35,839
probably gets

1717
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:39,359
more attention after he dies than he did

1718
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,079
before he died which is always kind of

1719
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,240
sad so one of the interesting things

1720
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,920
about jessup

1721
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,039
post

1722
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,400
death is that according to

1723
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:52,079
jim mosley in his

1724
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,680
memoir shockingly close to the truth

1725
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,720
jessup

1726
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
because of this increased interest in

1727
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,680
psychic phenomenon and things like that

1728
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,920
had sort of written a letter to long

1729
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,400
john neville the radio talk show host

1730
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,880
and who did a lot of ufo stuff and said

1731
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,039
that that after he died

1732
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,720
he would like

1733
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:15,920
to have a seance on the radio show where

1734
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:19,040
he communicates from beyond the grave to

1735
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,000
long john's listeners and long john was

1736
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,239
kind of interested in it until jessup's

1737
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:26,480
widow threatened to sue according to

1738
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,080
mosley so that's sort of where that went

1739
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,560
and there's another sort of thing that

1740
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:35,600
comes out of this in 1962 a few years

1741
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,880
after his death riley crabb of the which

1742
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,359
is a great name of the borderlands

1743
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,560
science research associates issues a

1744
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:46,799
publication that is

1745
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:49,920
um sort of a collection of the allende

1746
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,400
letters and writings about

1747
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,279
jessup and jessup suicide and what might

1748
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:56,960
have happened and

1749
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,000
this is one of the first places where

1750
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:03,120
the allende letters and the vero edition

1751
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,640
and those things get a lot of public

1752
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,080
attention

1753
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,199
this is how in the ad copy this

1754
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,679
publication mk jessup and the allende

1755
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,759
letters was pitched

1756
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,319
have you heard of the lms and the sms

1757
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,480
two races who occupy space between the

1758
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,359
earth and the moon well mk jessup did

1759
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,279
three gypsies read his book the case for

1760
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,359
the ufo and made marginal notes

1761
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,359
indicating they knew of these two space

1762
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,679
races they also suspected that jessup

1763
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,679
had cracked the secret in his ufo

1764
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,480
research so in these pages you have a

1765
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,319
first attempt to assemble some of the

1766
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,480
pieces of the mystery surrounding jessup

1767
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,480
suicide we have included his

1768
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,480
correspondence with the late director of

1769
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,040
bsra mead lane the introduction to the

1770
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,600
special vero edition of case for the ufo

1771
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,239
and copies of gypsy allende's startling

1772
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,400
letters to mr jessup three years before

1773
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,510
one of the things that crab goes into in

1774
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:01,920
this book is the possibility that there

1775
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,000
might be a seance at some point between

1776
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,080
a group of interested people and the

1777
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,520
spirit of jesup from beyond

1778
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,520
the veil and that's an idea we're going

1779
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:14,960
to come back to

1780
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:18,080
in a little bit but

1781
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:21,280
he also in this book goes into the

1782
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,560
possibility

1783
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,360
of

1784
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,679
something besides

1785
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,239
what might strictly be a standard

1786
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,520
suicide being the cause of jessop's

1787
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,080
death and this ties into his growing

1788
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,920
interest in those

1789
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,120
psychic

1790
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,320
phenomenon that we've talked about

1791
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,400
most of the saucer magazines crossing my

1792
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:44,320
desk have had some word of regret about

1793
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,159
the passing of mk jessup one of the

1794
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,640
foremost of flying saucer researchers

1795
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,560
the few who expect to see a man in black

1796
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,320
around every corner suspect that

1797
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,080
jessup's apparent suicide may have been

1798
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,159
murder the indication seemed to be that

1799
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:57,679
he did take his own life by carbon

1800
01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:00,159
monoxide poisoning from the exhaust gas

1801
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:01,120
of his own car

1802
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,719
[Music]

1803
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,120
so crab is setting up the evidence as we

1804
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:09,679
know it there was paraphernalia on the

1805
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,640
scene the body died of carbon monoxide

1806
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:15,920
poisoning apparently but something might

1807
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:19,280
not be right about this crab visited

1808
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:24,400
with a woman named mrs ruth hellfand who

1809
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,199
knew

1810
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,880
jessup and had been a close friend of

1811
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,560
his from years when both lived in

1812
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,120
washington dc crabb talked to her to try

1813
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:33,679
to get some insight into what might have

1814
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,360
been going on in jessup's mind

1815
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,199
he was a brilliant man in her opinion

1816
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,000
but moody and oversensitive to criticism

1817
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,760
at that time his first marriage had

1818
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,679
ended in separation

1819
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,520
he took life too seriously mrs

1820
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,679
hellfriend told me about every two weeks

1821
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,199
he would call me and my girlfriend and

1822
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,800
ask us to go to dinner with him he

1823
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,800
needed cheering up so he'd go out with

1824
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:56,400
him and get him to laugh and to forget

1825
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,570
himself for a while

1826
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,920
[Music]

1827
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,840
so talking to hellfriend makes it sound

1828
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:03,840
like he was having some psychological

1829
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,480
issues but was that the only thing going

1830
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,800
on crabb also talked to another woman

1831
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,360
who was a friend of jessup named ella

1832
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:12,719
baker

1833
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,480
speaks of those who become innocent

1834
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,159
victims of suggestion negative

1835
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,159
suggestion when they enter into psychic

1836
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
groups in her opinion jessup was one

1837
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,040
jessup's research was scientific and

1838
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,120
factual she writes but when he came to

1839
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:28,960
speak to our detroit flying saucer group

1840
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,520
in august 1957 he told us he was going

1841
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,760
to do his own research into the psychic

1842
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,040
groups

1843
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,719
miss baker says she warned him against

1844
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,120
this because studying is one thing

1845
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,040
actually indulging in psychic methods is

1846
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,719
something else again

1847
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,320
shortly afterwards i read where he had

1848
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,400
become active in a washington dc psychic

1849
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:48,480
group the next time he came to michigan

1850
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:50,000
on business at the university of

1851
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,760
michigan ann arbor he called me and

1852
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,120
asked me to come out and join him for

1853
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,920
dinner i did and was shocked to feel the

1854
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,239
change in his vibrations they had taken

1855
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:00,159
on the icky feeling of those who dabble

1856
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:09,270
maybe it's just me but i find the phrase

1857
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,640
astral bo to be a bit too humorous and

1858
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,960
light-hearted to sort of fit into this

1859
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,199
story but the implication here

1860
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,159
is that his dabbling in psychicism as

1861
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:22,960
she puts it may have affected his

1862
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,320
aura his psyche his his inner self to a

1863
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,080
degree where

1864
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,719
suicide was something that was an option

1865
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,040
for him where it wouldn't have been if

1866
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,840
he hadn't dabbled in this sort of thing

1867
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,239
the remainder of the document or the

1868
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:41,040
publication is reprintings of those

1869
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,120
letters and some elements of the

1870
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,600
the the vero edition the marked up

1871
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,320
annotated case for the ufo

1872
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:53,440
a lot of the materials in this bsra

1873
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,280
publication would be reprinted in a gray

1874
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,199
barker book that went through several

1875
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,040
printings or additions between the late

1876
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:03,679
60s and early 70s called the strange

1877
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:06,480
case of dr mk jessup

1878
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,360
yes

1879
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,480
doctor

1880
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,560
this is largely like i said a collection

1881
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:12,880
of reprinted materials some from the

1882
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,199
bsra a lot from the bsra and the amount

1883
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,840
of the book that is actually other stuff

1884
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,320
is probably why instead of a copyright

1885
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,320
notice there is a notice inside the

1886
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,400
front cover that says no copyright

1887
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,400
claimed because barker can't really

1888
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,159
claim a copyright on other people's

1889
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,560
stuff so all of this is mixed with

1890
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,800
various theories about what might have

1891
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,520
happened with jessup some are barkers

1892
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,679
and some also come from

1893
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,480
saucer fans who have written into barker

1894
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,040
with their own comments and concerns

1895
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,120
about the case

1896
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,880
now as for jessup his suicide was a

1897
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,760
frame-up jessup fell victim to hypnotism

1898
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,040
he was sent a tape recording that

1899
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,360
contained self-destruction suggestions

1900
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,199
the tape employed hypnotic suggestions

1901
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,199
superimposed on music and mixed with

1902
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
white sound no one can resist being

1903
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:03,600
hypnotized by sound waves this is

1904
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,239
disguised hypnosis and it is foolproof

1905
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,920
the white sound produces subliminal

1906
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,600
conditioning a conditioning of the

1907
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:11,600
subconscious a stimulus which affects

1908
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,040
the brain below the threshold of

1909
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,560
conscious awareness

1910
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,159
there are certain sound wavelengths that

1911
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,000
are not audible to the conscious hearing

1912
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,400
but are heard by the subconscious do you

1913
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,000
realize that someone could simply call

1914
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,760
you on the phone and when you answer you

1915
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,280
are given a dose of white sound that

1916
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,800
puts you into a trance before you could

1917
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,880
even hang up your subconscious would be

1918
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,719
given suicidal thoughts and then you

1919
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,800
would go out and destroy yourself

1920
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,080
of course first you would be told to

1921
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,520
write a letter to someone suggesting

1922
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,520
that you were about to commit suicide

1923
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,520
this is what happened to jessup it's

1924
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,000
cold-blooded murder no i'm not pulling

1925
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,000
your blade mr barker it's not too

1926
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,400
fantastic to be true the equipment costs

1927
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,520
about 200

1928
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:49,120
and can be obtained from a clinical

1929
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,910
well it wouldn't be a 2022 episode of

1930
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,320
the saucer life if mind control

1931
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:01,360
experimentation didn't show up somewhere

1932
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,920
along the line honestly this

1933
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,560
writer to barker sounds like a guy who

1934
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:09,199
knows a whole lot about this sort of

1935
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:10,880
infrasound

1936
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:13,840
kind of mind manipulation and

1937
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:14,800
simply

1938
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,679
applies it to whatever situation he

1939
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,679
seems to be looking at so as you can

1940
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,000
tell from that selection there's a lot

1941
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:24,960
of speculation in this book in amongst

1942
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,600
the documentation about jessup and his

1943
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,640
activities but barker being barker

1944
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,600
freely acknowledges that there are some

1945
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:35,120
things that are

1946
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,239
sort of

1947
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,400
just supposition

1948
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:40,159
this book does not attempt to unravel

1949
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,520
the mystery of the researcher's

1950
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:43,040
unfortunate passing

1951
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,040
instead it is content with presenting a

1952
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,880
great many facts along with some

1953
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,199
speculation it is up to the interested

1954
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,880
reader or researcher to delve further

1955
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:52,800
into the matter or to reach his own

1956
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,590
now i know this is the way great barker

1957
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:00,560
operates and i i love it but i don't

1958
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,679
know the the more time i spend working

1959
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,920
on these things and thinking about these

1960
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,400
things the more i sort of suspect that

1961
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:11,040
maybe it's just not

1962
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,400
a good

1963
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,880
policy to just throw out

1964
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,040
wild ideas

1965
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:19,760
and say hey i'm just throwing things out

1966
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,199
there or i'm just asking questions or i

1967
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,120
haven't looked into this if you think

1968
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,199
it's a bad idea maybe why don't you go

1969
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,880
try to disprove it or something i'm not

1970
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,560
sure that's

1971
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,760
healthy for us as a society but that's a

1972
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,920
soapbox i should get on

1973
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,880
for

1974
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,840
another time now as to the possibility

1975
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:41,679
of jessup's death actually being a

1976
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,719
suicide barker says this

1977
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,719
the writer wishes he had known dr jessup

1978
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,719
better our friendship was limited to

1979
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,560
correspondence and personal meetings on

1980
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,199
two occasions i liked jessop and enjoyed

1981
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,719
his company immensely during our

1982
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,640
meetings he seemed to have achieved much

1983
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,640
success as a person along with whatever

1984
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,239
fame and recognition that came from his

1985
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,719
work his absence from our midst is as a

1986
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,960
human being just as regrettable as is

1987
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,400
our great loss of his professional

1988
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,000
capabilities

1989
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:09,679
from our own experiences and trying to

1990
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,159
keep on going in the ufo field we can

1991
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,679
appreciate some of jessup's great

1992
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,640
problems

1993
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,239
sometimes to me it has been almost

1994
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,760
understandable to believe the verdict of

1995
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,520
the examining authorities

1996
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,280
our desire to learn more of the truth

1997
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,280
and to keep up the fight has however

1998
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,520
urged us to continue it is hard to

1999
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,880
believe that jessup with his great

2000
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:29,440
dedication could have felt or acted any

2001
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,229
this

2002
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:37,199
sits wrongly with me for

2003
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,159
a number of reasons and i think the best

2004
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:43,120
way to sort of sum up those reasons is

2005
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,320
this

2006
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,199
supposition that well he he seemed like

2007
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,960
he was really dedicated to the mystery

2008
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,840
of the ufos and those of us who

2009
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,679
delve into the mystery of the ufos we

2010
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,920
have some tough times but

2011
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,920
i don't know it seems like he wouldn't

2012
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,560
give up if he was that dedicated to the

2013
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,000
ufos

2014
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,199
that just bugs me and barker

2015
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,679
acknowledges that he'd only met jessup

2016
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:08,800
twice

2017
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,239
this claim that you know his um

2018
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,239
what did he say his

2019
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:16,480
fame and recognition much success as a

2020
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,400
person that is sort of contradicted by

2021
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:22,960
things said by people who were

2022
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:26,640
closer to him than barker was he had had

2023
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:28,960
decreasing sales on every book his

2024
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:30,880
publisher had rejected numerous

2025
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:33,440
manuscripts his wife was going to leave

2026
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,400
him things were not going great for dr

2027
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:38,719
jessup and those sorts of psychological

2028
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,239
hammer blows can sometimes not be

2029
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,239
sort of

2030
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:47,520
contradicted or overcome by one's

2031
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,199
dedication to the truth about the flying

2032
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:52,960
saucer that's all i'm going to say about

2033
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:55,679
it but this section kind of

2034
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,640
bugged me bothered me just hit me the

2035
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,960
wrong way now among the other things

2036
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,040
that barker includes in this volume are

2037
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:06,000
some examples of his correspondence with

2038
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,360
jessup and

2039
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,320
one of the best things about this is the

2040
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:13,600
way that barker is always finding a way

2041
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,480
to promote things that he has written or

2042
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,199
published and that he would like to sell

2043
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:21,600
you this is just a little snippet from a

2044
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,040
letter that jessup had written to barker

2045
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:26,880
i read your report regarding albert cape

2046
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,719
bender with great interest looks like

2047
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,719
something did happen he probably did

2048
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:32,960
stumble on the truth i'll be glad of any

2049
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,830
to his credit barker does not follow

2050
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:42,800
that up with the ordering information

2051
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,600
for

2052
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:45,679
they knew too much about flying saucers

2053
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,040
or flying saucers and the three men

2054
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,639
bender's later weird account of it but

2055
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:54,560
i'm pretty sure that if you ordered a

2056
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,840
book from sausarian publications you got

2057
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,159
the little catalog which would have

2058
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,600
those books listed in there he also

2059
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:06,400
barker also goes into jessop's interest

2060
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,440
in psychic phenomenon and reproduces

2061
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,000
material from the riley crab book that

2062
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:14,719
we talked about a bit earlier and he

2063
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,840
introduces it in this way

2064
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,679
many researchers have suggested that it

2065
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,040
was jessop's interest in psychic

2066
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,440
subjects which led to a suicide

2067
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:25,040
it's known that although jessup began

2068
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,719
his early research on a rather strict

2069
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,880
scientific and physical level he did

2070
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,320
later express interest and other

2071
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,560
explanations for the presence of saucers

2072
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,480
including those advanced by mead lane

2073
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,320
and the borderlands sciences research

2074
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,189
and the reason i wanted you to hear that

2075
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:43,679
segment is because of the way he phrases

2076
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,600
it many researchers have suggested

2077
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:49,360
i don't

2078
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,880
really know of any besides the ones

2079
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:53,679
that

2080
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,639
talked to riley crabb for his book about

2081
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,840
jessup

2082
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,840
it's just an exaggeration and it makes

2083
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,480
it bigger than it needs to be finally

2084
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:05,920
there was one more book from the early

2085
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,320
1980s that barker published about jessup

2086
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,400
called the jesup dimension

2087
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,440
and this was written by anna genslinger

2088
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,159
and she undertook a lengthy

2089
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,120
investigation into jessup suicide

2090
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,679
and came to the conclusion that mind

2091
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:24,400
control was involved so

2092
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,080
i have not read that book extensively i

2093
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:31,120
have seen bits of it it is exceedingly

2094
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,880
rare there is a modern reprint of it

2095
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:36,480
available but

2096
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,320
if you've listened to other episodes you

2097
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:41,360
know that i'm not uh a huge fan of

2098
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:45,199
modern reprints i don't trust them so

2099
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,320
that's sort of putting a bow on the grey

2100
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,560
barker involvement in

2101
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:52,560
the afterlife

2102
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:55,120
of morris k jesup so what about that

2103
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,320
seance

2104
01:23:02,950 --> 01:22:59,679
that actually happened at some point and

2105
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,960
was written about in a 1974 issue of the

2106
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:04,880
journal of borderland research from the

2107
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:08,960
bsra the march april 1974 edition and

2108
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,000
riley crabb introduces this and this is

2109
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,880
a very very strange thing but i i think

2110
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,600
a suitable sort of end point for the

2111
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:20,320
afterlife of morris k jesup crabb

2112
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,199
introduces this whole seance in the

2113
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,199
following way

2114
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:27,199
did jessup actually commit suicide by

2115
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,679
his own hand or was it murder arranged

2116
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,840
by government agents in cooperation with

2117
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,679
invaders from outer space

2118
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:35,120
this is one of the mysteries of the

2119
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,800
flying saucer phenomenon to which there

2120
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,199
is no definite answer yet

2121
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,120
we do know there is a war going on for

2122
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,280
control of the planet and for control of

2123
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,120
the hearts minds and bodies of the human

2124
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,440
beings who inhabit it there is no doubt

2125
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,440
in our minds that jessup was a casualty

2126
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,600
of that war one of many who have given

2127
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,000
their lives in the search for truth

2128
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,800
the worldwide saucer flap of 1973

2129
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,560
indicates that the battle of armageddon

2130
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,719
is accelerating and of course victory

2131
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,719
will go to the forces of light

2132
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,719
to better understand how and why this

2133
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,960
must be so it would be well to review

2134
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:09,280
the work of early ufo researchers like

2135
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:16,790
wow settle down that seems a bit extreme

2136
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:20,080
so then we get into the seance itself

2137
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,679
and we don't ever actually hear the

2138
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:25,520
entity being channeled

2139
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:30,719
firmly identify himself as jessup

2140
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,679
it is not wise to say who i am otherwise

2141
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:35,760
i might not get through again

2142
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:38,560
this is like a visit to friends as if

2143
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,199
one were being visited in prison though

2144
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,360
i'm not in prison in any sense i'm quite

2145
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:45,920
happy but get homesick

2146
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,480
i'm told by others on the etheric plane

2147
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:50,719
that revealing my identity would do no

2148
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:52,639
good for the research to which i was so

2149
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,650
dedicated during my days on earth

2150
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,280
[Music]

2151
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,560
so at this point

2152
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:00,960
i think it would be a good time to tell

2153
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,000
you what the title of this article is

2154
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,560
which is credited to mk jessup that was

2155
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:08,639
gained through the seance the title of

2156
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:13,280
the article is a trip to venus etheria

2157
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,239
yes

2158
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,120
this is basically a contacty story

2159
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,159
featuring jessup as the narrator and

2160
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,400
main character and i've got one more

2161
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,600
selection from this about when he

2162
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:26,960
lands

2163
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,800
in a ship in ethership into the etheric

2164
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:33,440
realm of venus and if you want more

2165
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,639
ether um look for our episode that we

2166
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:38,960
did several years ago um

2167
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,719
about the borderlands sciences crowd so

2168
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,159
i think it's called a good old-fashioned

2169
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,320
ether frolic which is i just thought

2170
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,480
that was a fun name but this is how

2171
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,880
jessup describes his landing on this

2172
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,239
planet

2173
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:54,080
a most beautiful country then met my

2174
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,040
view

2175
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,960
this would be impossible to describe

2176
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,360
even if i had more time to do so our

2177
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,440
descent was so rapid that i got very

2178
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,440
little view of it anyhow at that time

2179
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:05,840
and we landed we landed in a courtyard

2180
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,840
connected with a very large building

2181
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,600
which i can best describe as being made

2182
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,000
of metallic glass the same varying

2183
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,760
translucence as in the window being

2184
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,800
present

2185
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,040
i was met by three people about six feet

2186
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,679
in height very beautiful people all male

2187
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,679
dressed in odd costumes of spun

2188
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,159
glass-like appearance nothing like a ski

2189
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:26,080
suit i might add having read of such

2190
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:33,110
so what this article does

2191
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:34,880
and there's a link to it in the show

2192
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:37,920
notes is to

2193
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:41,280
create a contact-y narrative albeit an

2194
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,480
etheric

2195
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:45,600
channeled one for morris k jessup a man

2196
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,560
who

2197
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,199
never really gave an indication of being

2198
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,080
involved in the contact d thing who in a

2199
01:26:55,229 --> 01:26:53,679
letter to barker

2200
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decried the

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stupidity of a lot of ufo material that

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drove off serious researchers mentioning

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adamski by name when he did that

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this seems to be a fitting place to

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end because

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this story this taking jessup and

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turning him into a contact d against all

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evidence or reason or sense or

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compassion or whatever

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is symbolic of some of the twists and

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turns in

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fact and reason that we are going to see

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over the next few segments or

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installments where we look at the

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further development of this philadelphia

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experiment

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and

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later iterations of it such as the

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montauk project and things like that

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things get weird things get twisted

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but we need to remember that it all

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began with morris k jessup

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and did he commit suicide was he

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murdered

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if we listen to those who knew him

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and those who knew those who knew him

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it seems likely

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in a blog post back in 2011 david

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halperin reprinted a letter

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that

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seemed to

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indicate this was the case and he didn't

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have a name on the letter he only had a

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return address and a commenter on the

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blog pointed out that the return address

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was the one often used by john keel and

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as we're going to see

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in later installments john keel had some

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familiarity and knowledge of some of

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these situations and so it seems likely

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this was a letter written by keel and

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this is what

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kiel or

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pseudokeel if if we want to be unsure

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about the

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authorial provenance of this this is

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what keel slash pseudokeel had to say

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a great deal of trash has been written

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about morris jessup and the carlos

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allende affair most of it originating in

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the little mimeographed newsletters of

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the 1950s and later perpetuated in hack

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paperbacks

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mr jessup was a close personal friend

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the late ivan t sanderson hans stephen

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sanderson who died in 1975 long john

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neville new york city radio personality

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and others in this area there is no

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mystery whatsoever about his death in

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1959 his career was flagging his books

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had been failures his marriage had

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dissolved and he was in deep despair

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shortly before he took his life he wrote

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letters of farewell to hans long john

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and others he turned over some of his

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files in his personal copy of the famous

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vero edition to hans i have seen these

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materials the vero book contains

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notations in jesup's own hand laughing

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at some of the mysterious marginal

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comments and speculating on others he

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and finally i want to read you something

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from jim mosley's memoir in his section

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about morris k jessup that

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is cynical

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perhaps but

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maybe not too far off the mark he's

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commenting here on anna genslinger's

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book the jesup dimension and her theory

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that jessup had been driven to suicide

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by nefarious forces mostly says

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genslinger wanted to believe jessup's

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death was mysterious just as so many

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today want to believe that the

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government or other mysterious forces

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are so concerned about saucerdam that

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the field and leading sorcerers are

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targets of disinformation campaigns

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threats surveillance telephone taps and

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so on

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if jessup knew something important

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enough for them to drive him to suicide

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then sorcerers could vicariously feel a

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little more important their drab dreary

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lives would be brightened up just a bit

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knowing that jessup knew something they

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didn't but which they might somehow

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someday find out knowing that they were

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part of a noble quest for truth in a lot

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of ways morris k jessup is the forgotten

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man of the philadelphia experiment and

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as we're going to see in

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further installments in this story

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the stories get

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more outlandish and the people get more

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outrageous and the claims get more

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bizarre but for right now

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let's just

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in our minds just to ourselves remember

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morris jessup a man who wrote a very

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serious earnest book about the study of

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ufos several books about them

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and who found himself

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through really no fault of his own at

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the center of a lot of weirdness

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thanks for listening

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thanks this issue go to david halperin

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whose blog posts about jessup's early

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life and especially his relations of

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information that was contained in gray

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barker's collection in west virginia

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were very much appreciated the same goes

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for johnkeel.com which has lots of scans

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including

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lots of scans from john kills files that

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is which included

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a scan of the letter from the university

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01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,480
of michigan to grey barker about

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jessup's time there

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friend of the show gabriel m provided

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some copies of materials from the barker

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collection at the clarksburg harrison

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public library in clarksburg west

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virginia and of course many thanks go to

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the erswell director of the barker

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collection david houchin for being so

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helpful to so many of us for so long in

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needing information from that remarkable

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01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:20,560
resource

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the website

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de173.com has more information than i

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will ever be able to absorb but for this

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episode i used it for readable copies of

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the letters between jessup and allende

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01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:34,800
so thanks again for listening remember

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to send in your questions and comments

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via the usual

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social media or email channels and we'll

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address them on our feedback episode

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next week and then after that we look at

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carlos allende carl allen who was he who

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01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,920
did others say he was

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01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,159
who did he say he was and how did that

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01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,880
change over time it is a

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fascinating story

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our associate producer is simpson j

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hanover iii and the saucer life is a

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production of chiso media llc

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